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Archive for February, 2009

Bankruptcy Discharge Question

Monday, February 23rd, 2009

Question: Last year i had a Consumer Proposal Annulled, because i lost my job and couldn’t keep up the payments. I wish to file for bankruptcy, and i am wondering if an automatic discharge would be opposed or be difficult because i already had a proposal annulled on record. Also since this would be my first bankruptcy, could i still be discharged after 9 months, or would i have to wait 21 months if this new law comes in effect ( i heard march 2009)?

Answer: Since you have not been previously bankrupt, you would be eligible for an automatic discharge from bankruptcy after nine months. However, if you have significant income, or if there are any other issues, it is possible that your bankruptcy period could be extended. If that extension leads to a bankruptcy court discharge hearing, the result will depend on where in Ontario you live. The Toronto bankruptcy court may consider your failed proposal as a “prior insolvency event”, which may lead to more onerous discharge conditions. Bankruptcy courts outside of Toronto generally do not impose those restrictions.

It is therefore critical that you ensure that your bankruptcy is completed without the need to attend in court. Your Ontario bankruptcy trustee can provide you with more detailed information.

Bankruptcy or other option?

Saturday, February 21st, 2009

Question: My husband has about $40,000. in unsecured debt (credit cards and line of credit). The high interest rate (one at 21%) means at the minimum payments, he’ll never be out of debt. He is not behind on any payments. These are all in his name however the mortgage is in both our names. The equity on the house is about 30,000. Does the equity get split between the two of us on bankruptcy? We definitely need to keep the house, but we have no other assets (Van is worth less than $1000.) He makes good money and we have 3 children who will soon need college money. I need to keep my credit rating in good standing so I will be able to get the kids through college on my credit.
Is bankruptcy a good option for him?

Answer: No, probably bankruptcy is not a good option for him.

If you file bankruptcy in Ontario, you are required to pay to the trustee the equity in your house. Using your example, if you have $30,000 in equity, and the house is owned jointly by you and your husband, if your husband goes bankrupt he would be required to pay $15,000 in order to keep the house. Unless you have the ability to borrow $15,000 to buy his share of the house from the trustee, that is probably not a good option.

A better option may be to file a consumer proposal. In a consumer proposal your husband would pay at least $15,000, since you must offer the creditors more than they would get in a bankruptcy. However, he can make the payments in a proposal over up to a five year period, which means the monthly payment could be quite manageable. It may be a good strategy to keep the house, allow you to maintain good credit, and to allow your husband to finally deal with his debt.

There are many factors to consider, so you should start by booking a no charge initial consultation with an Ontario proposal trustee who can explain the process so that you can decide how to proceed.

Credit Reports

Thursday, February 19th, 2009

Question: I declared bankruptcy December 2001 and was discharged in February 2003. I applied for a low interest credit card and was turned down. As it turns out Equifax clears the record 6 years after discharge and Transunion waits 7 years from discharge. So essentially I will have waited 10 years to be able to get credit. Why is Transunion different from Equifax with their credit reporting.

Answer: Equifax and Transunion are both private companies, and therefore they can essentially set their own rules for what they put on your credit report.

If you are trying to re-establish credit, one way to do that is with a secured credit card. If you have the deposit they require it is unlikely that you will be turned down.

what to do…

Thursday, February 19th, 2009

Question: OK here goes. I currently have about 40K of student loan debt from about 9 years ago. I also have about 22K in credit card debt and about 5000 in personal loans. I make about 1600 a month after deductions. My wife on the other hand makes 3200 after deductions. I want to go bankrupt because I know It will take me the rest of my life to pay these debts.

Now if i file for bankruptcy I have figured that because of her income we would pay about 450 a month for 9 months (although some are saying as much as 21 months is this true?) She also has student loans on which she pays 400 monthly another loan at 328 monthly(at 29percent interest) our rent is 600 monthly, our bills including groceries gas car insurance etc about 1200 more for a total of about 2500 dollars a month. We have no children and no assets.

Her credit score was ruined by the bank failing to make her payments in error regarding the student loans (long story trust me) so we are unable to get any type of credit. With both our scores hovering in the 650 mark. She also has credit card debt of around 15K and her student loans still total about 30K. Do they take into account her hardships as well when I file for bankruptcy or do the just look at her income numbers? 450 over 21 months is an awful lot of money for us when we can barely get by in the first place. Our combined debt load exceeds 100K (without a car loan or mortgage) She doesn’t want to file for bankruptcy because then neither of us would be able to get a reasonable mortgage until we would be in our mid to late forties. Any ideas or suggestions?

Answer: There are many options.

First, you are correct, you alone could file personal bankruptcy. You are correct in assuming that the higher your family income, the more you will have to pay while bankrupt, and yes, it is possible that your bankruptcy could last for 21 months, although yes, the trustee and the bankruptcy court will take into account your family situation.

Second, both you and your wife could go bankrupt. The advantage is that then all of your debts are discharged (assuming her student loans are more than seven years old), so you both get a fresh start. However, you are correct that again if you are both bankrupt, you will both be making surplus income payments for up to 21 months.

A third option would be to file a consumer proposal. In a consumer proposal you make a deal with all of your creditors and avoid bankruptcy. As a simple example, if you estimate that a bankruptcy would cost you $450 per month for 21 months, or $9,450, you could file a consumer proposal where you pay $200 per month for 60 months, or $12,000. Because the creditors will receive their share of $12,000 in a proposal, as compared to $9,450 in a bankruptcy, they may be willing to accept the proposal. The proposal may work for you because even though it lasts longer and costs more than a bankruptcy, you are only paying $200 per month, which is more affordable. Please note that this is just an example; actual amounts may be different.

You are worried about the impact on your credit report, which is a concern, but as you stated above you cannot borrow any money now anyway, so the damage to your credit report is probably less important than actually dealing with your debts.

In summary, there are a number of possible solutions, so we strongly suggest you contact an Ontario bankruptcy trustee to arrange a no charge initial consultation to review your options and determine which strategy will work best for you and your spouse.

bankruptcy discharge

Wednesday, February 18th, 2009

Question: Hi I am a first time bankrupt and my discharge is soon approaching and I am concerned about my creditors opposing the discharge. If I met all of my obligations but a creditor opposes, will I be required to pay them more money before being discharged? I dont have money, and cant afford to pay them anymore. I don’t want to stay bankruptcy indefinitely. How common is it to have a bank object to the discharge when dealing with one of the big 5 Canadian Banks? I owed about $80 000 in unsecured loans, line of credits and credit cards when I filed. Also if it is extended to 21 months, can it be extended beyond that time frame?

Answer: There appears to be significant confusion surrounding bankruptcy discharges. Please see our detailed comments in the previous post on the length of a bankruptcy.

In Ontario it is very unusual for one of the big Canadian banks to oppose a bankruptcy discharge, and it is unusual for a first bankruptcy to last for more than 21 months.

These are questions that you should ask your trustee, since only they are familiar with your file, and the creditors, and they will know if any creditor is objecting to your discharge.

length of bankruptcy

Wednesday, February 18th, 2009

Question: Hi, If a trustee extends ones bankruptcy for a first time bankrupt an additional 12 months to 21 months due to surplus income, is there an automatic discharge hearing after 9 months? If a creditor opposes the discharge, could a first time bankrupt remain bankrupt for more then 21 months? I have made all my payments to my trustee and taken the credit counselling courses but am worried because after reading some of the postings on this blog, some people are still not discharged after 21 months. Please advise.

Answer: There are two ways for a trustee to extend a bankruptcy. First, they can oppose your discharge, in which case a discharge hearing is held in bankruptcy court, and the Bankruptcy Registrar decides how much longer your bankruptcy will last, and what you will be required to pay.

Second, the trustee can do what’s called a “deemed opposition”, where you and the trustee agree that you will pay surplus income for up to an additional twelve months. There is no court hearing required. Based on what you have said, this is probably what your bankruptcy trustee has done.

It is possible for a creditor to oppose your discharge. However, that is very rare, and they generally would file their notice of opposition at the start of the bankruptcy, so your trustee is probably already aware of any potential oppositions.

It appears that both you and your trustee have everything well under control. However, if you are concerned, you should contact your trustee and ask them to walk you through the process to allow you to obtain your discharge.

What are our options??

Monday, February 16th, 2009

Question: I am writing for my wife. She has approximately $20,000 of unsecured credit card debt (50% credit cards and 50% personal consolidation loan)that she aquired before we got married last year. She filed for a consumer proposal just less than a year ago but no one contacted her about the creditors’ response within 70 days or so after… During that time and since then we’ve been having family emergencies and we’ve had to visit her biological family overseas, due to which she is also no longer able to pay for the proposal. I cannot help her either as we are on a tight budget covered by her family we currently live with and neither one of us are employed at the moment. Before we contact the company that filed for the proposal to find out what we can still do to deal with her debt, we wanted to know what her options would be since the proposal has probably been annuled as she has been out of the country for awhile and would bankruptcy be the only option at this point? Also if it is, could she file for it without going back to Canada as we would have nowhere to stay there since we were living with her parent before needing to leave the country and neither one of us has property or anyone to house us in Canada if we went back.

Thank you!

Answer: You should immediately contact the trustee that assisted her with the filing of the consumer proposal to see exactly what has happened. Your interpretation is probably correct: if she was out of the country and could not make the payments, the consumer proposal has probably been annulled. Under current rules, once a consumer proposal has been annulled, you cannot file another consumer proposal for the same debts, unless you first get a court order.

If neither of you are working, and if neither of you are currently living in Canada, the simplest solution may be to do nothing until you are working again. At that time a bankruptcy may be an option, but it’s possible that you can make a deal with the creditors, depending on the amount of money owing at that time.

Again, we strongly suggest that you contact your trustee to determine the next step.

revenue canada wage garnishment

Friday, February 13th, 2009

Question: Help I am scared out of my mind

My wages were garnished at work, i can’t pay my bills because of this. Can i go to a credit relief program and have them look at it. It hasn’t started yet…next pay.
I’m petrified.

Answer: There are only three ways to stop a Revenue Canada wage garnishment.

First, you can call CRA and attempt to make a deal with them so they will stop the garnishment; that is generally not easy to do.

Second, you can file a consumer proposal, which immediately stops the garnishment for 45 days while all of your creditors, including CRA, votes on the proposal. If CRA is your largest creditor, it may be difficult to get them to accept the proposal.

Finally, you could file bankruptcy in Ontario, which also stops the wage garnishment.

Either way, you should contact an Ontario bankruptcy trustee immediately to decide which option is right for you, and to stop the garnishment as soon as possible.

How can you declare bankruptcy without affecting your partner

Wednesday, February 11th, 2009

Question: Hi I have just about $52,000. in dept including 2 credit cards which I pay the min. I have a Line of credit of $20K and I have just been served from the Superior Courts to pay $22K.I am unemployed, no income, own a home, a car and having a difficult time paying my bills. I owe just under $6,000 on my car that is in my name and someone else. I have a house my husband pays the mortgage and land tax but I dear not mention bankruptcy against his house because that is all we have. We do have a 17 yr going to school. Can I declare bankruptcy without loosing my house and involving my husband? I am seeking deligently to find a job to offset the high dept I am in.

Answer: Whether or not you would lose your house if you declare bankruptcy in Ontario depends on a number of factors, including the value of the house, and the amount owing on your mortgage. More information is available in this article on What Happens to My House If I File Bankruptcy in Ontario?

Another option would be to file a consumer proposal, which in virtually all cases allows you to keep your house. However, if you are not working, a consumer proposal may not be an option, since you don’t have the income to make the payments.

We suggest that you arrange a no charge initial consultation with an Ontario bankruptcy trustee to review your options, and then decide which option makes the most sense for you and your family.

No news on discharge

Wednesday, February 11th, 2009

Question: I’ve declared bankruptcy in September 2007. I have gone through all the credit counselling courses. I have been unable to pay anything during my first 9 months as I was unemployed. I have since found employment. Two weeks before my 9 month, I received opposition from only one of my creditors. I have made an offer (abot 30 cents on the dollar). This is all monies I’ had to borrow from family members. I have not heard anything since and am now 4 months from the 21 month mark. What are my options? What happens in 4 months and have not heard anything. Do I get an automatic discharge?

Signed
Nervous and waiting

Answer: An automatic discharge, under rules in effect as of February 2009, can only be granted nine months plus one day after the start of your bankruptcy, so if you are not discharged, you are not eligible for an automatic discharge. In your case a court discharge hearing will be held, at which time the Bankruptcy Registrar will decide what payment is required to end your bankruptcy. You should contact your trustee to determine when your discharge hearing will be held.